" If you don't use thought for any achievement, then it is not a burden. " - UG

When there are no definite goals or wants or any purpose, thoughts are random, drifting and fleeting. They are never a problem or burden. 

But when there is a motive or goal, thoughts gather momentum, begin to solidify, bolstering the notion of the 'thinker' or 'achiever'. 

"Wanting and thinking, always go together." - UG

If there are no spiritual or material goals, UG says that 'thought becomes disconnected and disjointed.'

Any goal or purpose keeps us preoccupied, hijacking our senses. 

"The only difference between you and me is that you are preoccupied, and I am not." - UG

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UG: The notion of your natural state, not my natural state, I am describing the natural state of the individual when this constant interference of the manipulative thought, is not there.

That is what I am describing, not my state. I don't know a damn thing about my state. So, you are relating that to the way you are functioning.

Q: And find wanting, find that wanting…

UG: So, relating it to the way you are functioning, and you do that because you want to change that into this state that I am describing, the change.

Q: That is the...That movement is not there.

UG: There is no change necessary, what I am saying. There is nothing to be changed there. The demand to change into something.

Q: Which is there in me, is not there.

UG: There is nothing to be changed here. You think there is something to be changed.

Q: I think so.

UG: Because you see the description of your natural state has created a division there and it says you see that not the way I am functioning, right?

Yes, all right.

But why do you want to function that way? The other one.

Q: Because you are not satisfied with the state in which you are in.

Exactly.

Because of that, sorry?

Q: The manipulative thought creates the division.

UG: The thought creates the division, but the thought in its very nature is short-lived.

Q:But you are saying that painful thought is not the true state.

UG: What is that?

Q: The changes in thought, frequent changes in thought, show that they have no basis.

UG: No, you see, the use of thought to achieve something is the problem.

Whether it is material achievement or spiritual achievement.

You call it a spiritual achievement, but the instrument which you are using is matter.

So, the so-called desire to achieve a spiritual goal is also materialistic.

So, both of them are finished.

Q: Thought should cease.

UG: Thought will not cease. Thought is not the instrument.

Q: What is the instrument?

UG: There is no instrument at all.

The achievement you are interested in is made possible, but not guaranteed, through this instrument called thinking.

Q: What exactly is the material?

UG: Thought is the material.

The idea that there is something to be achieved, the goal is fixed.

So, what you are doing is putting these thoughts together to achieve that goal. That's all that you are doing. You are thinking.

So, this material has been supplied, to you, by the claimants who talked about this.

Q: Granted.

UG: You are using that. So, then what is the question?

Q: Then, is the thought condition in which I am itself satisfactory for life?

UG: It is. It is. It is…

If you don't use that (thought) for any achievement, spiritual or otherwise, then it is not a burden. Then it becomes disconnected and disjointed. The demand to continue through the repetition of the thought is not there.

You have to experience that, again and again and again. Otherwise, you are not there.   

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